David Hungate - [ Calling the Shots From Africa to Nashville ] Takin' you inside of world music. this is Inside MusiCast with Rick Such & Eddy Cabello. on this eipisode Inside MusiCast welcomes David Hangate well come the Inside MusiCast posdcast devoted to musicians, funs and poeple that makin' music happen I'm Rick Such and I'm Eddy Cabello welcome everybody *** round world and it is recomention Inside MusiCast is devoted to bringing you can do *** interviews news and information what musicians funs and people that make music happen. that's right this is the podcast to goes beyond pop star and featured but *** behinde the *** So if you ready let's get start In the music business you can't always plan where your career takes you. Most of the time it just falls into place over the course of the many years. Our guest has had the good fortune of having the pieces of his career fall into place by calling the right shots at the right time. He is the consummate session musician and one of the most respected bassists in the industry. As an original member of the rock band TOTO, David Hungate provided a rhythmic anchor to a band that delivered classic songs as "Rosanna" and "Africa" to the world. From his beginnings with Sonny and Cher to his Grammy-winning TOTO work, to Randy Travis, David has never been removed from the A-list of bassists because of his ability to provide the right groove for the right music. He left the L.A. scene for all the right reasons, and along the way built a network of premier accounts in Nashville that just won't stop calling such as Toby Keith, April Barrows, Brooks & Dunn, Neil Diamond, Manhattan Transfer, Reba, Eddie Rabbitt, Linda Ronstadt, Boz Scaggs and Kenny Rogers. We welcome David Hungate to Inside MusiCast. _Inside MusiCast (分秒) David welcome to the show _David Hungate (分秒) Hey great to be here. _Inside MusiCast (分秒) Good, good, good. hey listening, instead of a starting up with typical we all begin to have you question line i like to ask a little bit what's been keepin' you busy over the the past years and I know the this might sound *** it's not intend to but you know you think artist come and go instrumentalist and but you still doing you, you swing and and you keeping really busy so how, how do you keep going how work keepin' you fresh these days _David Hungate (分秒) men I don't know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) (laughing) _David Hungate (分秒) i don't know you know i, i always thought it'll be over when I was about forty you know you know i live you know I've finally listen last couple of years I've kind of you know I took my union tension couple years ago so i kind of quite worry about it finally it's really good but I always felt like it was gonna be over next month you know so i just try to keep learnin' new things that's the key I think you know I try to keep learnin' new styles and you know I tell I hadn't really played that bright days to or I moved to Nashville when I get into that i've been play a lot of the guitar last few years a kind of get serious about that you know always plays the horn then and I like a lot different styles music so that can I helps. _Inside MusiCast (分秒) and you find that kind of *** there where when your *** will you right? _David Hungate (分秒) right yeah, it's got a lot more also in the last few years so many guys who in L.A. and '70s that here now *** _Inside MusiCast (分秒) yeah, exactly _David Hungate (分秒) *** you know and more *** this great, great players some from L.A. so _Inside MusiCast (分秒) why the my *** why, why did you know you guys in play did you stinton the you know in the '70s and '80s L.A. music scene with there and why the my *** why does somebody wanna come back to Nashville here is approach anything? _David Hungate (分秒) well, I came the first people I *** L.A. in the '70s i had a actually done a project in Nashville in '71 before I'm moved to L.A. and I, I thought was pretty cool place and I being from a small town Missouri, it felt kind like home and my familys pretty close and all that stuff so that had some to do with a lot do with it and you know that was, that was my reason and you know I pretty much on the time I've gotta L.A. I was tryin' to build up and I *** Nashville what I get to move you know took, took nine years but you know it was, it was worry to way then I'm really i got to do a lot of stuff in L.A. then I could done here of course you know and great great for that but you know it had to do with a lot of life syle reasons I had just started family and you know and I grew up round rude area and kind of wanna dad *** for my kids so I so that's was my thing you know basically red neck guitar so here I am _Inside MusiCast (分秒) hey David, you said you from Missouri _David Hungate (分秒) right _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's not what every publicaton *** do you from Texas _David Hungate (分秒) right yeah, I was gonna say *** yeah _Inside MusiCast (分秒) no you from not L.A. no you from not L.A. _David Hungate (分秒) *** all music *** take some are *** some places I'm from L.A. some places I'm from Texas i went to colleage in Texas which maybe for that came from but _Inside MusiCast (分秒) *** Missouri _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, try Missouri *** music mecca of the mid west _Inside MusiCast (分秒) hey, hanging on, over years you've play you know everything from soft, rock, jazz, pop rock, you know the *** contemporaly, gospel, soul and do you live for at all you, you just dig one junle of the most. _David Hungate (分秒) It's the stuff I've I've alwasy dug the most is been like jazz from the '20s through the '40s you know but and I like western swing from you know that's kind of in that same back to that always been my favorite music and that's probably that stuff I've got to do the least over the years but you know it's always challenge you know you know I, I've alwasy consider myself a studio musician rather than a a live performer type musician and kind of I was very forunate that when I got on Texas stage in the mid '60s I met Dean Parks (Oh yeah) he's, he's a year older than me and he is a first guy ever knew who you know he told me there is such things being studio musicain *** that time you see, you know we orgnaize I was gonna be school teacher you know make five grand years back then and the studio musicans in Daras who make up thirty thousand in years so Jesus man why do I try on and he is, dean is very he's a genius and very methodical analogical type guy and he started practicing what he would need to be able do to be a great studio guy he had musical scence, anyway but he would practice with a metoronom set it slowest possible setting you know and he plays eighth nothes right in uni cent each click you know just here the *** human being beat *** beats head stuff like that he come up these slower excersizes he is very extreamly concious the time and very tatsteful and he was like my mental you know he was like my big brother and kind of you know it hadn't been *** i've been really luckly where my carreir there been 4, 5 genius you know that I manage to be these kind of part of off course to and, and, and bennefit I'm learn from you know that was dean was the first and then Jeff you know David Paich and Chet Atkins you know after got the Nashville (sure). so, I've it's just been you know I've been *** was that I've I couldn't done that on my own you know I didn't have a clue you know when I got starting so *** learn Dean got into the idea being stuido muscians and you know part of that is just it's like being charactor actor you know you going you gonna be a judge one day and alcaholic the neck you know, you know reading man and you know just your point is different role but a depending on in each situation and and it just require you don't know a lot stuff was that music and a lot different stlyes and you know that's not any *** electrical feed my part I just have be interested in you know and stuff and and what makes certain feel you know what bass needs to be doin' and any given situation and then that's just that, that probably more than anythiing it's kind swept kept me going you know I haven't I've never been the the guys who rely you know the disco baas player you know heard the fusion bass player what ever you know but you know I've always kind of try to do any acceptable job it in any given style and may not be the best anything but except you know I'm pretty good cover a lot of basise you know that's kind what I _Inside MusiCast (分秒) sure _David Hungate (分秒) try to do and you know being able to *** is was really important and when I got to L.A. it's not important Nashvile but so I guess to the make it yeah short story that's kind high managed hang on _Inside MusiCast (分秒) sure, will you've difinitely be able to carve you know the name of David Hungate in you know in the trees has bunch of other incredible musicians you know we've earlier this you we talked Lee Sklar, Freddie Washington and _David Hungate (分秒) all right the lee is heroes _Inside MusiCast (分秒) oh the lee is yeah _David Hungate (分秒) yeah when I was just young boys starting at play I used to listen to Lees you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) did you? when everybody was young boy they used to listen to Lee _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, he is actually the only working bass player who is older than me. I think he is a very year older than I but seriously he was he had a couple of three years ahead started on me the recording thing in and he was the one of the when I first heard you know who's early star James Tayler stuff you know I was just fell in love with which he was playin' you know so I've been at huge fun his forever. _Inside MusiCast (分秒) yeah, will you definitely and the *** who on but you know I like to maybe going to another land of quesion you, you had option to work in the L.A. scene back of course some earlier *** so that was prior to the Pro Tools in the internet right so you know that back then top middle bit about because there wasn't Pro Tools so force I mean what was the biggist requirement with thier stiffly requirement for session players that really, really had to be good as suppose to today is there any differences in the players _David Hungate (分秒) yearh, you know the, the story about the Pro Tools producers he saids that was terrible guys come on in _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's why me oh true, right? _David Hungate (分秒) I tell you when the really start the change really started the change when the disco thing happen like in late '70s and when we doing these twelve minute disco singles is whole side of LP. and nobody can groove for twelve minute and so they'd have it click track and so after the click and then about same time Lin Drum came along. _Inside MusiCast (分秒) sure, thank you Rodger _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, like i started I started doing that the not the TOTO I think the only TOTO thing I have play on that had it any wasn't just play it was "Africa" not had a drum loop Just play you know all that stuff is with Jeff you know it just had get right guys in the room and, and play it and what the click track does is it isn't sure that it always be *** exceptable and it not also *** never really feel magical you know what I mean it's drug and but and when I first got Nashville nobody use clicks but you know maybe ten or twelve years ago maybe even more they started doing and I lobbyed for it you know cause (really) I was used to play with Jeff you know and then so nobody else felt that great _Inside MusiCast (分秒) so the next _David Hungate (分秒) when I got here *** terrible here it's first there's best in the world man but you know you get in there down the bad headphones and really hard hear anything and tracks *** realley so *** you know I would lobbys for guy to try use click you know I played on Lin Drums some and that call on now the all these great players here great drummers you know they don't really need it but it's got to be like producders have it, you know so you know it's i feel like one of those all guy the old jazzers i use to hear complaining about rock'n'roll you know when I was seventeen *** the old days and really isn't but anyone _Inside MusiCast (分秒) hey David, stick with the Nashville some of are couple our past guest the with that based Nashville kind set this but would you our have agrees to this but would you said that the Nashville scene today is so *** of the L.A. scene from the '70s, '80s _David Hungate (分秒) well it's cross to *** it anyplace New York is *** you know L.A. is *** anymore for what I'm understand I talk to somebody while back guitar player in L.A. works all the time he said i say ask he busy yeah, I'm work all the time but I never see any musicans." _Inside MusiCast (分秒) right. that's *** come response with everyone we've talk to _David Hungate (分秒) you know it's just, it's just modern way you know I've a lot of guys go out doing more life *** sake for that and for the wack of session work you know compare *** these today but you know it's just way, it's just it is and and it's it's not gonna go back I don't think _Inside MusiCast (分秒) you did get the chance ocassionally to go out tour with *** last fall you did promotion tour with Neil diamond? _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, that's was funny David Paich got me in Neil's rhythm section back right after Sonny and Cher spled out *** wonder what we gonna do back at '74 and he play with Neil and he put in the good word *** and I were the two had bass player you know we swith off on basss and guitar _Inside MusiCast (分秒) really _David Hungate (分秒) so I, I rehearse to with them *** for like two years pay this like two fifty weeks to rehearse two, and threes night of week and Neil never showed up so we we settle down up and play *** tunes and drunk, and you know just party three nights of week on the, on the car and David Foster was in that band for a while (Wow) and I remeber one time we went, went to get something eat. David Foster had borrow a dollar from me which you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) here's big qustion did he ever ... _David Hungate (分秒) that was long time ago _Inside MusiCast (分秒) did he, did he ever paid back? _David Hungate (分秒) no yet *** and *** you know but anyway and Neil fired in so _Inside MusiCast (分秒) oh, really? _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, yes fired by Neil and I got fire to the wonder take my girl friend on the road for the tour when they finaly did get it tour And I did do it so I had this two years with Neil and the bass player *** through came on that time had never missed gig for like *** thirty years and any had help scare last fall it turned out be nothing but he was really scared me sorry when we gonna be able tour anymore so he call me so I _Inside MusiCast (分秒) so they you go _David Hungate (分秒) when back after thirty years and it was like most of same guys in the band and it was, it was great I was just, I just *** did four days in new york we did TV shows you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) so you did get open car in two years reherase _David Hungate (分秒) *** you know we *** stuff from new album so all I can one night three songs so _Inside MusiCast (分秒) will you past by here on the, on the tour with Neil diamond last fall will you did you combaine will you had *** show? _David Hungate (分秒) no, I just, I just went to New York we did few couple of other you know we did like three TV today show that all I did. _Inside MusiCast (分秒) That's *** you didn't really *** _David Hungate (分秒) so that's my big road experience for the last tweny six years _Inside MusiCast (分秒) Right _David Hungate (分秒) what my early goals was just to get off the road you know I, I enjoyed stuido thing cause I got, i got show tension band part of you know whatever after I've learned show even it's TOTO you know it's it's stops being as much fun after, after while _Inside MusiCast (分秒) yeah, those guys be able to just keep go (Man) that takes special indivisual *** these guys right _David Hungate (分秒) well like i said I'm red neck you know I got head my I got head my farm and my (fresh air) stuff set around and, and you know I just don't travel well it's, it's great for the guys to do And i had great time that you know *** Neil for few days who's offer first class *** band was grown up and you know it was, it was really fun yeah, you know I get see going out for A limited thing once a while but (yeah) anyway _Inside MusiCast (分秒) well, grown up and try Missouly and going to school in Texas you know how to you major way at L.A. eventyually and what was like for you just was a culture shock I mean what was that like for you kidding the L.A. sceen. _David Hungate (分秒) well, yeah, it was, it ways extremy culture shock you know I, the way I gotta L.A. i don't *** done Dean Parks and I *** in Texas start litte rock band and *** was drummer, tom keane and who did all the stuff *** (oh sure major ) keyboard players you know we mostlly played improvise moods you know hippy music and i think we knew I tune, cover tune *** but Sonny and Cher came to the area doing a couple concert for their try to make come back i guess it was in 70's and promtor knew *** agree you know and so we heardest to back on him concert and they were impressed you know we just you know we set down and rather than play like rock band you know and so they ask *** back on go road with them _Inside MusiCast (分秒) with Sonny and Cher _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, and so less I stay in school for aonother years, rest of guys went on and *** when i quit Dean told me get replace my gutair player you know they orgnaize get replacement so, so I had yeah, he call me and we gonna be playing in Daras i wanna auditon for I said send me a tape you know cause you know i've been playin' bass for couple years that time and- at play little gutiar, too but not much you know not like Dean Parks so he send me a show when I I leared at you know and and i found out on the first show they fired guy it hired replace Dean as conductor so I was suppose to conducting hand play guitar _Inside MusiCast (分秒) how do you do that? _David Hungate (分秒) and well, fortunatly it was fame hotel Daras always horn players *** school with the over guys plans i give a big long cue you know and maybe ignored followed trampet player Sonny and Cher look at other way so they didn't know they thought I did great job you know so I got gig thanks those guys and then I was gonna stay for two weeks and make little extra money and that's pretty happy in Daras *** sessions a lot gig stuff couple weeks after that they we got TV show and sonny says well you know will which get you guys audition for the TV show we can gurantee *** whole show you know so so I moved to L.A. when the TV show started that's, that's I got tell but you know it was just being in L.A.and playin' with all these guys and the studio bands *** all pro *** big band trampet players incredible musicians _Inside MusiCast (分秒) so did get you get for gig televison also _David Hungate (分秒) yeah _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's owesome _David Hungate (分秒) I was playing guitar first you know *** bass player *** that *** swithed over which thankfully you know after bass chair but the biggist shock I got after I been act about a month I guess early '72 Dean Parks once again said he's gonna be doing some some demo *** Leon Russele house and they doesn't pay anything and it starts at mid night but Jim Kelter is gonna be playing drums I heard about Keltner from Dean forever so I said yeah, I do it man so I got to there and they already around tune and drummer near the room and put on the headphones and yeah, dam Keltner was, kick a man I never heard any like and when we made finish the take and i want to introduce myself and open door he's just little bitty, slumpy there man I said "Hi, I'm David Hungate", "Jeff porcaoro" that I met Jeff and I still got tape that stuff we did that night _Inside MusiCast (分秒) do you really? _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, and he was *** 16 years old palyed is greatest he ever did and we had really good drummer on the Sonny and Cher band that time and i had scout man I stand *** I started lobby and I manage to get them they hire Jeff and _Inside MusiCast (分秒) so you are the guys opened the door for, for Jeff on the gig _David Hungate (分秒) no, anybody *** but i had be there right time so and then three month later he got Paich on the gig but I guess here in Jeff that age you know i was like 23 (yeah) the week before I took the Sonny and Cher gig i got *** as gonna go out *** you know they call me and then i did Sonny and Cher thing and *** but I plan playin' was always great jazz player *** school when and I thought *** my stuff you know and man here is kid 16 then I heard brother Mike and then i heard Paich and always guys man and Jeff kids you know that's man he was wake up call you know man when I gotta i gotta get good enough to play with these guys you know so I that was biggest shock you know musically and then just cultually off course it was, it was like Daras only a lot bigger _Inside MusiCast (分秒) will you on the note of you know happy hour with Sonny and Cher and meeting Jeff did you by happens by to chance work on the Seals and Croft gig always Paich those guys and _David Hungate (分秒) yeah _Inside MusiCast (分秒) you did? _David Hungate (分秒) year, we, we actually even tour with *** we did records with *** called [Unborn Child] and we played on couple more after that it closer and yeah Paich was *** talk about how picky Jimmy Seals _Inside MusiCast (分秒) oh, yeah is that true? _David Hungate (分秒) *** this man my, my son ** is a drummer and he got the Jimmy Seals gig like two years ago you know he he play *** bad ear and he finally you know Jimmy decided yet try somebody else but he still picky you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) really _David Hungate (分秒) and always great player but yeah _Inside MusiCast (分秒) so your son was playin' with _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, he play *** years ago Jimmy and brother Danny are doing *** duo Seals and Croft but any way Jimmy still Jimmy yeah *** stuff and we quit doing road stuff because Paich's mam would wedding *** use to *** little twin engine plane *** little engine plane one night we flew through thonderstorm and over the operation someplece you know small mountain and we thought we thougt that was *** man and afeter that Paich and you know all of this kind of agree not to, to do road thing any more this is ok but _Inside MusiCast (分秒) I want to talk about a little bit about you work with, with Boz Scaggs and when you guys basically you know in before TOTO you had hope up put guys and how, how did you basically trip over the, the Boz Scaggs *** he was the a new, new commer you had new album coming out and he rhyhtm session work _David Hungate (分秒) we got hook up Boz to Les Dudek and Boz was producing Les I think Jeff knew Les and suggested use Paich and me on the, on the Les Dudek sessions and I was like our audiotn for Boz it was as maybe six month before we stared [Silk Degrees] (sure) that was in september '75 we start cutting [Silk Degrees] _Inside MusiCast how long that actually take to, to their put album _David Hungate (分秒) i don't know maybe two weeks _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's about it _David Hungate (分秒) two weeks or less. it seems like I've, I've gotta all my old date books someplace you know *** look up some for be able one you know it started like 7 and we played *** moring and it was really loose you know cause nobody really knew who Boz was you know and and the tunes weren't really completed I mean Paich had some some feels changes you know together and Boz had few melody line together on most tune there were and no lyrics I recall so we, we made these tracks and and it just loose man and that's why was, was special I think _Inside MusiCast (分秒) hey hanging on [Silk Degrees] was such a phenominal collection of songs and _David Hungate (分秒) songs just *** _Inside MusiCast (分秒) *** they are *** but bass groove in you know my mind *** can probably most everyone's mind really push songs like "Lowdown" and "Lido Suffles" you know and top _David Hungate (分秒) *** just right i was young and crazy and intend to play top the beat but it was you know it had, it had thing you know and yeah, that's a another thing about Jeff, Jeff used to say man I can't play shuffles you know I just want to play shuffle I can't play shuffle said all there are couple shuffle songs on the Seals Crott stuff he really sturggle rhythm man he was like you know it was really bad thing I forget we did "Lido", *** brought this "Lido Suffhle" tune and you know and after the I got a test pressing of the recorod Jeff call me when i *** apartment listen to it "Lido Shuffle" came on man like three bars and I said man, you can play shuffles (no doubt) he did grand you know he figured out way to play shuffle you know and how _Inside MusiCast (分秒) and you right he, he did have special way with shuffles I mean there was _David Hungate (分秒) and i was play busy cause I knew we couldn't play shuffle so i was tryin' to help *** you know as probably get *** way play *** good but _Inside MusiCast (分秒) i mean that time the guys had really you know *** shuffles were, were Perdie you know and then but man I've, when I've heard just few couple of the landitons variatitons of the shuffles my, my got he can do shuffles _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, you know he knewed it immidiately he had grand you know like nobody eles (yeah) he knew it, he figured out the shuffle _Inside MusiCast (分秒) right, well "Lowdown" you know, you know just one of the cuts of the year it won RB song in the year back in '76 (yeah) and it was one of those was super bass lines and but it just seems to squees right in between disco and funk you know had *** groove and there was *** (right) but it, it really it, it total up the dance force everything but tell some us little about on the track on, on "Lowdown" how did the groove really happen I mean how did, how did you build up you said it was little loose session _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, well that vamp groove you know vamp vamp thing _Inside MusiCast (分秒) yeah there hammering *** _David Hungate (分秒) people were doing that then and it was like hip thing and then that pull off thing I had heard ... I think it was Dr.John right place long time the bass player doesn't pull of at all you know but it was just play that any *** and intro or some you know i was *** round with that when we, we were jammin' like between takes before you know it was we weren't take at seriously round down and, and you know Paich point it out man that, that thing is cool you know put, put add in you know also we ended up *** I kind of got into my Chuck Rainy bug on near over dub under the bridge you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) hey you know those, those [Silk Degrees] sessions had to be pretty special and and many ways *** agree that sort of pretty cool *** what was about follow with TOTO debut . __David Hungate (分秒) yeah, abusolutely yeah, it was you know Paich is somebody called TOTO's first record you know (really) and, and as a result [Silk Degrees] we start gettin' you don't buy record companys to be a band you know we didn't have to go out really beat street right after that we did some demos mostly with Jeff and Paich say this *** in keyboard and drums and we over dubed everything else we did "Miss Sun" and i think was Steve porcaro that brought Steve Lukather into the scene man and you know I, i heard Steves over dubed on those demo before I met Steve and it was like what plan discuss some *** _Inside MusiCast (分秒) hey David I wanna *** I wanna dive into TOTO here you know I'm a huge TOTO fun and if I myself and knowin' a loto of inside TOTO tribute but but I'm curiously to know you know how unite up joining TOTO was there any particular reason that you said you has to joining TOTO I mean you had plenty of session work goin' and, and you know you kind of left that for a while go on tour and, and do studio work with those guys _David Hungate (分秒) well, we been on the road for like two years all together with Sonny and Cher playing together every night talk about doing band somedays so it was like we all involved [Silk Degrees] other *** hole developmet *** you know David Paich was off course the main institugator and main writer and and Jeff and you know I was kind the *** you know I've *** we got along well musically and there was a funny story so kind of on *** line after, after "Hold The Line" became hit you know all suddunley we weren't studio guys we were rock band you know so we called Jeff, I think called band meeting said you know guys we are band now we can't *** be play on everybody sessions you know *** stuff you know so we, so we gonna have to do just quite doing *** for people so i said ok you know so i went home and next day I call all my account you know said you know we decide we not gonna do sessions anymore *** so couple of weeks later we did TOTO rehearsal and Jeff is not there and so I say where is?" And he said "oh he is that the session he will be late *** so I was the only one cancel all session you know *** what *** relationship planed and it was just way TOTO work you know just we'd have a great idea and agree do it then everybody careful get it was one of thing _Inside MusiCast (分秒) yeah, hey I read somewhere that you know you, i like you would you say it really wasn't the band comin' together it was we are ready band but we were just playin' for Sonny and Cher so my question is I, I read somewhere that there were actually labels record labels that were actualley making you guys some, some offers two put a band together is that true? _David Hungate (分秒) Right *** like a when the after [Silk Degrees] came out and that kind of *** lantern the people knew how the records was made and you know Paich is on every tune and he already had good reputation that like the hot young *** watches to Jeff you know and we kind had little reputation rhythem section *** already so yeah, yeah, we got offers from people i *** negotiation you know so I don't know details but i know the it wasn't *** did get record deal it was like *** off course choosin' between two or three options _Inside MusiCast (分秒) let's this jump a little bit, just a little *** just and then not to maybe just few month from the time because the, the frist album TOTO album came out it went double platinum had you know the big song, you know "Hold The Line", and "Georgy Porgy" and and any strictten you know you know re-colection of, of the, the writing development of the, the tune i mean that you first record together will you corabollating is there anything that you can pull off from, from the meomories that, that stand out _David Hungate (分秒) well *** writing you know that was Paich tune he just we, we was uselly rehearsal week a *** before we went to studio and you know he bring tunes and playing them on piano we come up parts and kind of arrange little bit you know and so that was just part of the process you know it was pretty straight ahead tunes (sure) so somebody on wanna the interview call paich said danny *** do wop song you know *** was _Inside MusiCast (分秒) powerfurl what it is, right? _David Hungate (分秒) kidding David i saw some recently on YouTube somebody hit me to it was tape of rehearsal, TOTO rehearsal "Goodbye Elenore" I think that tune _Inside MusiCast (分秒) yeah _David Hungate (分秒) but i dialed it thing up I downloaded *** growlesly on my dialogue *** when I got watch it and that, that just took me right back *** rehearsal *** the 90% playing time at TOTO was rehearsing and you know good *** like that *** fun and that's have stuff happen the spirit if it look that and that's the kind of sprit man Jeff *** just you know Lukather's doing it sung and that's all this joy man that joy and excitetment *** and *** everybody laughed you know except me you know I trying to cover my part but but you know that was the spirit man it was just *** lot famility about it we just come in and Paich have tune, Luke have tune, and when we round it down and and i just come togther now *** we like studio and i wanna be like you know first, second take (right) so _Inside MusiCast (分秒) obvious there was familarity with, Paich and and Jeff porcaro but you know work with Steve Lukather has you work with him prior to joining TOTO _David Hungate (分秒) no, he saids that i remeber meeting him when he was like 15 he live down the street from me north hollwood before I knew him i was little *** corner growcery when I was playing Boz on the road *** he came and "oh, hi Mr. Hungate I'm Steve Lukather, I'm guitar player," yeah, sure kid get away from me and then *** years later that _Inside MusiCast (分秒) he's gonna love guy _David Hungate (分秒) I never work with him in before you know and you know it, it once again that things strikes me from, from 15 years old *** how young those guys i was youg but those guys Luke and Steve Porcaro ten years younger than me and Jeff and Paich was six years younger than me for like 17 man *** (father man) *** you know and that's the amazing think about it you know and they were they could just play TOTO music man i can go *** anybody session nail you know they were just limited being playing *** rock band you know just yeah, it was the that's pretty amazing when you think about it _Inside MusiCast (分秒) on the first tour of first album it launch you gusy to first tour my collect? _David Hungate (分秒) yeah _Inside MusiCast (分秒) and we want i think *** it was that your the way to the Japan is that collect? _David Hungate (分秒) I see we did go to japan 1980 spring the first tour debustly got act gether for the first tour we did like three weeks *** on Hawaii at this Hawaii Resort Hotel _Inside MusiCast (分秒) not a, not a bad gig not a bad gig _David Hungate (分秒) right except all the, all the coustomers *** honey mooning japanese couple that TOTO toilet upon on my pee and *** take pictures you know and so we did that and then I say before we did a concert we had to do we had play this CBS convention we are the hot new band I (right) so new *** so *** Jeff was like into art and stlye just created that stuff he had girl friend he was into, you know Keltner was into the oriental stuff Keltner always *** like japanese i think still does and so Jeff was into that and he had a girlfriend who was the make clothe and, and so she designed these like japanese very loose long sleeve hanging things we were still wear on the first gig right so they we didn't put them on until right before when we were on stage we never wore new things before they were all ready so we put these things on we go out there front of CBS crowds *** million *** new band we hadn't sign yet and we can not tune and there's no guitar and there is no bass I look down on sleeve on the thing were hanging down over the strings man it was, it was the biggist you know we just *** they signed this anyway but i gotta thing some place _Inside MusiCast (分秒) *** kimono and cbs tour _David Hungate (分秒) we after that we did we tour *** stage and then i think of i know the first over *** we did was japan and that was like in the spring of '80 _Inside MusiCast (分秒) well that's have a copy bootleg, copy of *** show you guys did yokohama _David Hungate (分秒) at where? _Inside MusiCast (分秒) i think it was in yokohama _David Hungate (分秒) right, yeah _Inside MusiCast (分秒) you know that fun to see _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, yeah, it's you know I keep hope more live stuff *** turn up on fortunately there's back before everybody had video camera *** we miss just miss *** 5 years *** more stuff about you know natural have but _Inside MusiCast (分秒) what loved about video was, was Steve porcaro's energy many just oh yeah) *** dance round like machine he was _David Hungate (分秒) sheaman _Inside MusiCast (分秒) what's that? _David Hungate (分秒) we called him sherman *** like *** _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's right you know that's your point you know you said hey you know when several working with these guys on first album there was like a you know it was loose it was fun i mean you know what that comes a cross and even those earyly videos (right) you guys were having bowl you guys were just playing you guys having bowl you know and even do everybody with doing there on little thing there is Hungate I'm just cranking you know everybody is dancing doing all goofying thing and there was dave just you know powning away you know _David Hungate (分秒) yeah that's me with my double neck bass _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's right I remember that, that's wonderful well you know *** little bit and you know go to the [TOTO IV] album and one multi platinum you know the big song so *** you guys got a Grammy and *** is then that must been one of what incredible you know for bunch of young guys you know sensitivle *** get there _David Hungate (分秒) yearh was and you know we weird for me i, I was already 11 Nashville you know like i quite i quite the band before [TOTO IV] came out so you know and i, we my wife and i just had another kid then I was get clear *** you know like i said I like stay home so anyway you know I think it's best buy *** stay a lot of time so here i am *** Grammys I'm not band anymore is like what that's *** thing anybody every gig _Inside MusiCast (分秒) how was goona ask you _David Hungate (分秒) they work *** you know *** time work *** ok totally *** but _Inside MusiCast (分秒) but what wait go out _David Hungate (分秒) yeah mixed message via *** it was great and TOTO open off course open a lot the doors for me you know even in Nasihville you know it was the you know a lot the country guys *** they didn't know Missouly you know *** like something *** period there but _Inside MusiCast (分秒) well I, I had good fortune the see you perform with TOTO but this particular peformance was in Nashville and it was back on the december 1st, december 1st 1999 (yeah) there's *** sixteen years after you left band and you know as long time TOTO friend this, this for me was pretty magical night because i have no idea you gonna be there _David Hungate (分秒) it was the for me too man it was yeah, and I _Inside MusiCast (分秒) was that the first time you had rejoin' them for any _David Hungate (分秒) last time i played live was *** like it the cali *** pop festival and june of '80 you know so last time I, I played live gig and then you know we kind lost touch over the years there were some, some disagreement so about royalitys which were not but their fault or mine you know but it was just one of those weired thing (sure) had't really been smoved over and a friend of mine for Nashville body hired was singing background for TOTO _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's right, that's right _David Hungate (分秒) and so he had party this *** all togehter *** first time and you know years and it was great man you know it's like you know everything is cool again and you know when i when played on the tune *** but then *** yeah, yeah it was the it was big fun. _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's cool oh interesting I had, I had photographed past that night i shot some really cool shots of you and _David Hungate (分秒) oh, you did _Inside MusiCast (分秒) and Luke and, and i actually up on the TOTO 99 web-site _David Hungate (分秒) oh, man _Inside MusiCast (分秒) i said *** those guys but I get you some copy those if you wanna _David Hungate (分秒) that'll be great I can't get on web site don't i can't download *** print *** but _Inside MusiCast (分秒) no i get you, I get you copy _David Hungate (分秒) that'll be wonderful man oh, appricate that _Inside MusiCast (分秒) well, TOTO 30th years aniversary come up and can you imagine all the time goes but there are some rumours flying around that you know you know maybe some past members or clew members for anniversary tour and you know this is only a rumour you know _David Hungate (分秒) hey don't putting in me *** _Inside MusiCast (分秒) i will there ex-qustion if somebody ask you would you like say "ooh this sounds cool _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, I would, I would have to learn that stuff again man you know there's couple guys in town several who are young studio guys here who total TOTO freaks drummer shannon *** genius and Jeff idle, idlises and (right) piano player gordon *** they, they whenever *** gether man between takes all TOTO all the time i mean there they want me to play the bass part I kind remeber half of you know (right) but it will be great be able see the see the guys you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) have you heard the new album by the way _David Hungate (分秒) no I haven't _Inside MusiCast (分秒) really __David Hungate (分秒) no I haven't i don't think get them in the Nashville yet what label that that their label _Inside MusiCast (分秒) it is their label and you know I guess David Paich _David Hungate (分秒) when we talk about it and (right) i'll picked that up man and i loved to hear _Inside MusiCast (分秒) cool i think sadisfied David very happy with it so hey David do you mind for spending couple minute chatting about Jeff porcaro _David Hungate (分秒) no _Inside MusiCast (分秒) the TOTO network have you, are you familier with the TOTO network _David Hungate (分秒) i heard of about it *** honest it _Inside MusiCast (分秒) if you know just i think was went back on august 5th was in aniversarry of Jeff passing (right) and they were _David Hungate (分秒) my birthday _Inside MusiCast (分秒) was it your birthday? i didn't know that yeah, well they, they were spending some time you know doing some tribute material for for Jeff and you know and and that's that's what's I the reason *** for us contact in Paich was having chat about Jeff little bit we just wanna ask you few questions about Jeff and you know most anyone who appricates excellent *** musician ship kind of appriciate you know his telent you know you have special thing happening when, when you even play with him what was about the your vibe and groove when you both play together _David Hungate (分秒) well you know I, if I told you you know my favorite kind music is like swing and like earlier types of music and i think i had I mean Jeff comitted you know he want to track was feeling good *** I mean swing you know i think that was, that was *** i just kind of feel things little different and some people and you know Jeff tended to play right the middle of the beat you know this drive it and i, I got where I would intend to way back a little bit you know there's a tension there that part was the thing and you know and _Inside MusiCast (分秒) a little bit of the push and pulling your swing _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, it's, it's like, it's like constnce, constant little tension where I'm i'm kind of leaning back these middle you know that you know depends on the track and part of the track *** talk about this fundmentaly that that's part of it you know i can remember when, when one really got good play together it was about '78 you know i remember feelin' that way i got lay back and in a pocket and he is not gonna let it go too far back you know there just be right (yeah) we did, we did several album so Jeff and i talked about it this all we did Airplay reords was Foster and Graydon and record for Garydon was guy name Colin Blunstone ( and Pointer Sisters I think and Diana Ross with [Baby It's Me] it was maybe a dozen album so we did together right in that time period we just you know Jeff and I used to talk about that been like a magical little time before click tracks and drum machines and and we just kind really got *** sit together part playing each other you know and Jeff made everybody pay a tension you know not just me maybe you know he made me pay a tension cause he was like standard you know if what I was make it what was and if Jeff was make *** he was most enthastic guy in the world he played everybody and if he wasn't makein' it he get be the most psychestic sound of bitch you evrey soul man you know he draw a cartoon somebody you know like so you wanted, you want to be good try make Jeff happy and and that you know i get cut down you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) What what he react like if, if something wasn't right and you this can't get it right i mean what give, give us some little bit about this _David Hungate (分秒) early on you know early on and I've heard Paich talk about this you know he would, he would say I know the perfect drummer for this track and he call another drummer Mike Baird anyone *** (i love that story) and play *** heaventh you know but just totaly great you know and other time he set it drum sound fire one time get off sprinclcr system *** studio somewhere he is pad toms little these you know *** man*** toms and he discuss the need took sigarette lighter let *** walked out *** system *** _Inside MusiCast (分秒) it's a ture stroy _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, *** and then he he didn't TOTO rehearsals by he take drum stick and this stab to all drum head get up walk out you know that was *** mad it _Inside MusiCast (分秒) i'm finished, right _David Hungate (分秒) he mad at everyway and the guy ask me about just to do discribe Jeff playing *** guy have *** have never got play with him you know *** that talking about music is like danceing about arcitecter you know it's really hard to discribe some musical and words but the best *** I came up with just photograpy you know like how firts time I set down play with Jeff before I knew *** insisted it was like all suden everything forcus for the first time the snare is sharp you know it's just it's like to diffrent between eves and adams one of those beautiful landscape that its got beautiful composion and the subject matters great and it's perfectly forcus man and you know just about Jeff is only other guy play with it had everybody else just little bit out ot forcus *** composion myabe little bit *** where the subject matter you know what I'm sayin' it was, it was everybody play with has same i've never herad anybody who is work Jeff disagree with that it was just guy you know he was and he was the one everybody look to you know to for information and he kind of kept me going man he was one of those, those genisus i encounter you know when you come, when you come from try Missouri when you leave town *** and this me *** hollywood *** 13 years old *** *** Jeff, man he was my biggist booster you know he kep me going he is, he is guys always told me i was plenty *** him and you know he can't really qualify the value that gonna thing to great and _Inside MusiCast (分秒) you know just like _David Hungate (分秒) you know in the, in the '20s with early Jazz guys was big spider back *** like brilliant trampet player and he this kind *** school musicians venny goodman and *** he dispaier hole veny alwasy great musicains and when he died, he died I guess 28 they were lost man you know it was kind of it left a huge hole and the same thing when Charie Parker died he was like (yeah) the be-pops, be-boper is all of the Charie Parker for what's happein' in you know what's in what's and that's the same thing with our, our guys our little generation there in Jeff man they would he when he left you know we all had figured how to keep going and I, and I, it was i got double *** man same month Jeff passed, Larrie Londin who is right the drummer in Nashville who was kind took me under is wang and those great player too he past away with that a month both of those guys i like man what my gonna do, am I gonna play music anymore you know so I, he had this kind of he had go on man which is you know *** they want you know (sure) and you know i just feel so lucky to if, if gotten to to work with, with guys like that you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) where you did, you did pick up and you go you know you, you are, you are sucsesslful beause you know like you said you, you every time excellent *** already Nashville and you know session works with opening up with you in guys *** kenny rodgers _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, you know you gotta pay the *** so you keep going (sure) gradualy *** it's better you know but anyway I, i just can't say enough good things about Jeff and i gotta e-mail from miss widow on his birthday last spring and she was talking about his kids man a really musical and you know writing and playing drum and guitar and you know i just loved the seeing man i think the old swan is was sixteen and my yougest son is like 23 and that's same aged Jeff and I were you know first time we met you know *** cool be get those guys together but _Inside MusiCast (分秒) yeah, really yeah, it's he is, he is dealing everybody hot *** and he was at least we have you know the music where we can go back and Jeff say "hey let's groove, let's tune down" _David Hungate (分秒) I actually do thad once a while man *** (do you) every six month so I i go down my studio and shut the door and get *** up and turn the speakers up loud as go (sure) and this dig Jeff (no doubt) you know loud as i can *** there man my *** records playin' and he is there (yeah) so you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's awesome i wanna talk, I wanna *** little bit cause you *** just say you know you, you been working in Nashville for, for several years but after doing everything even Nashville Rickey Lee Johnes, Kenny Rodgers, *** Cannvelle you work them, with them all but time came in '90s that you sort of start the a project [Souvenir] and it was you solo album in which mean *** deveoloring that over the past few weeks and it's, it's beatilful _David Hungate (分秒) Yeah, I've been trying to by up all exist *** i gotta go also I'm (yeah) but yeah, that that was last time I got recording with Jeff so that really, really and, and that last times Larrie Londin, Lallrie's on the tune and you know Randy Goodrum and that came I was offer that you know that friend of mine Robin Crow who new age gutair player and i played on his stuff and he got his record label give me a budget you know do this thing and they wanna do new age records and i said ok if I have some melodies too you know *** new age records was some melodies but listen, listen I stuff on it's a _Inside MusiCast (分秒) Robin Crow play on the tune _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, he playe on and co-produced yeah, and solo couple of song so (right) you know it's i had mixed in with about it's not it this plan I wish I you know done *** i had Jeff *** studio but it's it sure play great on man on the played on but i wanna that forget that title man there's long tune and like up tempo tune on the triplet on the track (sure) he get some *** stuff on the very end the *** you know it make are breaky jerolus you know Jeff steady couldn't play jazz you know (right) _Inside MusiCast (分秒) did he enjoyed the project, Jeff? _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, when we hadn't seen each other as much I flew back *** Nashville do it you know and *** we over dubed you know who talk about you know I should done live but we were *** studio and so we done sequences and he came on over dozen play great you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) did you, did you do same with, with, with Luke(yeah) cause you by some _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, he played and Brandon Feilds and _Inside MusiCast (分秒) Chet Atokin he was _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, Chet played on man _Inside MusiCast (分秒) but [Souvenir] released in 1994 is alright? _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, i actually recorded in late '80s _Inside MusiCast (分秒) ok, i was wondering about the time spin there _David Hungate (分秒) yeah Jeff he played it and yeah, _Inside MusiCast (分秒) interesting isn't it? _David Hungate (分秒) yeah _Inside MusiCast (分秒) interesting you know I think my goodness good project all we can says good project _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, i wanna do another one very different but i want to be able get Jeff (yeah) _Inside MusiCast (分秒) he is plying somewhere man (yeah man) he's playing great gig right now so i want you to to sort spine off into one other a lttle thing and me and you are talking a little bit about right before the interview about someone you been corabolleting with for a while now April Barrows and who's who's great *** musicians song writer but she is got such a neat style you work on the last two project you producing you writing with her and explaying her style it's really beatiful almost *** type of _David Hungate (分秒) i, you know we kind come up with classic pop you know traditinal pop it's like pop from the 30s, 40s and we try it's nothing can't about you know totaly succseioul and we kind of try to do all *** only but better sound not cases but (right) she is one of the unique artist she is the she listen to a lot of the *** sisters and *** and *** some of these people *** now but they were fusion 30's you know *** style vocalist from back then and she is big Ella Fitzgerald fun and Just love *** that likes kind music you know i did do to you know she is, she's only other person I know who knows as much about it we can be listen and to FM radio station playin that *** yeah it's been *** _Inside MusiCast (分秒) we you know loud *** try past *** great vocalist solo women guys whatever *** to sort of music *** but was she you know when I've listen she to some cut of these albums i'm meanig it's her, I'm meanin' she, it's her like natural *** _David Hungate (分秒) that's *** different *** April tune really she's gotta great for respective song writing in and yeah, we just we just tracks for another record back in may with *** these two yong horn players from new orlins they just there is into that era as horn players she is the writer and singer i mean they its not like be-popers Miles Davis *** try to back up you know and added themself *** that that was just the way play and so we were finishing matter up after and early next year but I'm really excited about that _Inside MusiCast (分秒) how are you producer you I mean you writing with her *** _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, we write together and, and i do re-arranging and play guiar we do _Inside MusiCast (分秒) by the way horn arrangement so *** there beautiful i mean that _David Hungate (分秒) oh thank you you right use like five *** so I _Inside MusiCast (分秒) of, of which people _David Hungate (分秒) i wish done sooner (right) _Inside MusiCast (分秒) of which in people maybe listen to the podcast may I even know that you played torombone _David Hungate (分秒) yeah my original wax _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's why, why don't you play ok no, you said you horn player _David Hungate (分秒) *** good trombone *** _Inside MusiCast (分秒) I'm mean you, you mention earlier that you know you are horn Player *** but i think most TOTO *** would say David Hungate is *** with playing torombone sessions i mean it happen you do really great job _David Hungate (分秒) yeah, oh thank you man I, yeah That was my original wax my dad was a sax player you know you work this way through Missouri U and Harvart low school playin' sax dance band back in the '40s and he took me the hearing play when I was like 5 years old my mama took me this country club and i didn't see my dad all night long i just totaly forcused on the trombone player he was loud thing there probably live but you know and so about it you know they gave me a torombone it was like 5 years old and then I start when I was 11 i start takin' lessons with the guys in St.Louis symphony they drive me to St.Louis sixty miles there and back once a week and i was gonna be torombone major when I at college and i gotta hit ** bassball and kind of *** missed chop and I never really recover but i haven't give up *** still try so frastrated horn player *** I give up all other stuff if I get be great torombone player _Inside MusiCast (分秒) so you may and as *** believe end up as you as gigs this symphoney player torombone, torombone player _David Hungate (分秒) that's why I want to be yeah, _Inside MusiCast (分秒) you mention second *** dad was sax player _David Hungate (分秒 yeah _Inside MusiCast (分秒) what also former United States congress man _David Hungate (分秒) yeah he was he introduced second *** teach man for Richard Nixon *** _Inside MusiCast (分秒) really? _David Hungate (分秒) yeah he was on a he just hear *** last time time before *** man he is Federal Judge until after that *** 1992 now he he said *** write books he is written four books and *** he is a he is a trip _Inside MusiCast (分秒) is he still around _David Hungate (分秒) oh yeah (wow ) *** 84 next month _Inside MusiCast (分秒) he writing books Eddy _David Hungate (分秒) he is written what kind for _Inside MusiCast (分秒) good health you awesome _David Hungate (分秒) i hope heard some of *** myself _Inside MusiCast (分秒) so he never really in *** you politics low right? _David Hungate (分秒) no, man I would smarter than *** you know but he knew I, he knew *** thing i can do which i had little musical talents *** man he in, he in colleage me like like nobody's business it's just a he is the other guys I all probablly the more, more than anybody for anything had done cause he we were in try Missouri and there's no, not like a great musicans around but man *** there he may *** he brough of over house play for me I play them you know all kind stuff and he brought does black piano player all guy Johnny Miller who work for the Undertaker and he played blues piano and sang he bring Johnny over there and we play and there was just 90 year old Federal player who being doing dance job before the tourn *** bring him over and you know he take me these when his friend of doing dance job he take me around and he had make me sit in I wouidn't i didn't wanna play you know I didn't wanna sit in i was shy but you know he just you know he take me down *** buy me guitars whether i want them or not you know is it kind of dad and so any you know he brough home these I think he read a New York magazine he *** there record reviews bring home this hip stuff man was Bob Dylan [Highway 61] and John Baez first records and Eric *** and all this out side different kind stuff you know so I gotta real *** appriciation on music for me many play piano *** come *** office everyday and open the beer and sit down piano and play *** book you know i leared all *** and i play along with so _Inside MusiCast (分秒) that's great _David Hungate (分秒) yeah you know _Inside MusiCast (分秒) cool well from try Missouri to Nashville and you know where we don't know where gonna end up _David Hungate (分秒) i hope it's here _Inside MusiCast (分秒) *** wonderful carrier I don't know what you plan *** not body it felt *** fell it turn up being a wonderful peace of creation that you've you given a lot of *** new work _David Hungate (分秒) i appriciate man i've really really lucky and, and a lot thanks to really *** people (yeah) and but in it's not both *** still I got a lot of be *** about _Inside MusiCast (分秒) very good hey David thank you so much for spending time with me Rick today thank you so much _David Hungate (分秒) yeah man it's, It's been great you guys any time _Inside MusiCast (分秒) sounds good (I'm here) All right take care thanks a lot _David Hungate (分秒) ok take care (all right) _Inside MusiCast (分秒) Take care Dave _David Hungate (分秒) bye